{"topic":{"id":12818,"title":"评教匿名性和顾虑","slug":"topic","categoryId":4,"createdAt":"2024-06-07 10:56:31.128003","bumpedAt":"2024-06-09 00:48:23.949552","views":381,"postsCount":11,"highestPostNumber":11,"likeCount":8,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"今天看到推送：学校开展教学管理服务调研。请在校本科生点击链接 https://www.wjx.cn/vm/rji3grA.aspx 并填写问卷（预计 5 分钟）其中有个问题这个问题 OP 想过很多目前的评教方式对学生和教师都很不友善学生顾虑：匿名性比较差，ehall 必须登录评教（可能为了保证一人最多评教一次防止刷分或恶意刷分）提交评教信息后会上传个人学号（抓包验证过）所以至少部分行政老师是能拿到评教隐私信息的。以及有部分同…","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"category":{"id":4,"name":"谈笑风生","slug":"general","color":"25AAE2"},"author":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/86/f2/86f267c0aaa73835a999b7cc3a7e7a701605574eda9a2c2a56f5ddbbba64d1a9.avif"},"tags":[]},"posts":[{"id":35155,"postNumber":1,"raw":"今天看到推送：\n> 学校开展教学管理服务调研。请在校本科生点击链接 https://www.wjx.cn/vm/rji3grA.aspx 并填写问卷（预计 5 分钟）\n\n其中有个问题\n![0c4fb25f2410475f04a28028fc0de062|690x435](/uploads/image/ec/77/ec77ef4584db9abf4d811acf8e89d105430484dda98e6d2526c0bbc427a243a8.avif)\n\n这个问题 OP 想过很多\n目前的评教方式对学生和教师都很不友善\n\n学生顾虑：匿名性比较差，ehall 必须登录评教（可能为了保证一人最多评教一次防止刷分或恶意刷分）提交评教信息后会上传个人学号（抓包验证过）所以至少部分行政老师是能拿到评教隐私信息的。以及有部分同学反馈过某些教师通过非正常手段拿到了相关信息拿成绩威胁学生修改评教内容。\n\n教师顾虑：\n（1）部分学生对这门课不感兴趣，因此恶意差评，并不是自己教学水平差\n（2）很多学生评教并不评价教学质量，评教依据是自己成绩得分。同样的课程其他老师给分虚高会影响自己客观给分。\n\nOP 想到的解决途径：\n（1）应该在课程考试之前由行政老师组织线下纸质匿名评教\n（2）弱化方案强制必修课的比例，尽可能保证选课自由，对学生老师都是好事，不然只会相互折磨\n（3）转专业自由，理由同选课自由。以及今年华科武大等学校已经完全放开了，西交不跟进的话招生直接完蛋\n\n欢迎其他讨论","cooked":"

今天看到推送：

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学校开展教学管理服务调研。请在校本科生点击链接西安交通大学教学管理服务调查问卷并填写问卷（预计 5 分钟）
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其中有个问题
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这个问题 OP 想过很多
\n目前的评教方式对学生和教师都很不友善

学生顾虑：匿名性比较差，ehall 必须登录评教（可能为了保证一人最多评教一次防止刷分或恶意刷分）提交评教信息后会上传个人学号（抓包验证过）所以至少部分行政老师是能拿到评教隐私信息的。以及有部分同学反馈过某些教师通过非正常手段拿到了相关信息拿成绩威胁学生修改评教内容。

教师顾虑：
\n（1）部分学生对这门课不感兴趣，因此恶意差评，并不是自己教学水平差
\n（2）很多学生评教并不评价教学质量，评教依据是自己成绩得分。同样的课程其他老师给分虚高会影响自己客观给分。

OP 想到的解决途径：
\n（1）应该在课程考试之前由行政老师组织线下纸质匿名评教
\n（2）弱化方案强制必修课的比例，尽可能保证选课自由，对学生老师都是好事，不然只会相互折磨
\n（3）转专业自由，理由同选课自由。以及今年华科武大等学校已经完全放开了，西交不跟进的话招生直接完蛋

欢迎其他讨论

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很多学生评教并不评价教学质量，评教依据是自己成绩得分。
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补充一下其他例子：
\n科大有第三方评教论坛，保证了匿名性。
\n出现的最大问题就是分数导向的评教。

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第三方评教论坛还有其他问题，例如学校行政不承认，只能解决学生对匿名性的需求，无法对教师完成激励，从而难以提升教学质量，受害者同样包括教师和学生

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华科武大转专业自由不实。武大政策：政策上，首先在学院内，学生可以自由选择专业，大类分流和专业调整工作应充分尊重学生兴趣和意愿，原则上不得设置限制条件；其次，在学部内转专业，学院不得限制学生转出学院的申请，学校也不控制申请转出人数，确保学生在学部内转学院时能够尽可能满足，如果学生想要转到同一学部内的其他专业，成功率会比以前大很多。
\n本质上就是所谓“转出不受限”而已，不要听营销号夸大其词。
\n事实上，凡体量大的学校都不可能实现转专业自由，这是客观事实决定的。

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感谢信息虚假宣传太离谱了
\n但科大招生规模是洗脚的 1/3 规模也不算小转专业成功率听说接近 100%

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评教不如上交大门评课：

https://xjtu.app/c/course/

/c/course/64

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感觉现在由学校统一组织的评教平台的意义本来就不是很大，因为选课的时候学生没有办法看到某门课的评价信息。感觉第三方做或者口口相传意义更大一点，这样选课的时候大家会用脚投票的。

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专业课又没法选，知道好与坏也没用😅

\n","createdAt":"2024-06-07 15:33:58.948027","updatedAt":"2024-06-07 15:33:58.948027","replyToPostNumber":7,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":17,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/86/f2/86f267c0aaa73835a999b7cc3a7e7a701605574eda9a2c2a56f5ddbbba64d1a9.avif","admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":35169,"postNumber":9,"raw":"人数多的学院有不同的教学班可以选","cooked":"

人数多的学院有不同的教学班可以选

\n","createdAt":"2024-06-07 15:34:36.89551","updatedAt":"2024-06-07 15:34:36.89551","replyToPostNumber":8,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":16,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/86/f2/86f267c0aaa73835a999b7cc3a7e7a701605574eda9a2c2a56f5ddbbba64d1a9.avif","admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":35177,"postNumber":10,"raw":"这个机制就不可能实现，所以注定是沦为形式的。","cooked":"

这个机制就不可能实现，所以注定是沦为形式的。

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就以我们的经验来说，恶意差评的同学很少，但以分数为导向的评分几乎无法遏制。或者说，想要解决同学以得分为导向评教的问题，就要先解决同学以 GPA 为大学第一目标的问题，而这远远超出了评教系统所能影响的范畴。

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应该在课程考试之前由行政老师组织线下纸质匿名评教
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很多同学对分数的渴望程度超乎我们的想象，在期末考试之前评教，同样未必能收获真实的意见。从“讨好”角度，可能会有相当数量的同学认为给老师一个很高的评教分数，老师就会高兴从而放宽考试要求；从“畏惧”角度，会有同学担心老师看到差评私下打击报复（通过直接打听找到差评者）或干脆破罐子破摔制造挂科。

相比之下，反而是出于一时情绪的评论对课程建设更有价值，比如在实验进行到一定阶段时觉得太难而抱怨，或者觉得课程和实验脱节而不满（甚至嘲讽）。因为现在最大的问题是同学不敢或者懒得表达真实的意见，情绪之言虽然难听些（或许夸张些），但至少情绪是真的，能给我们比较真实的反馈。所以我一直不指望一学期一次的评教能产出多少有价值的反馈，不如有想法直接匿名发帖/群聊/私聊。

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