{"topic":{"id":1668,"title":"【搬运】为什么接受彻底失败（原题：很多人的心态被进步史观毁掉了）","slug":"topic","categoryId":4,"createdAt":"2023-07-05 17:36:22.298132","bumpedAt":"2024-05-14 16:16:57.240464","views":649,"postsCount":7,"highestPostNumber":9,"likeCount":9,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"原作者：Potato Digger 原文链接成功学本质是线性的进步史观，marxim 的成功学：奴隶 - 封建 - 资本 - 和谐，heygirl 的成功学：少数人的自由 - 多数人的自由 - 所有人的自由，猴的成功学：⻘年上岸 - 中年上市 - 老年上树。共同点：相信历史/生活有规律可循，默认社会结构的强制性这种脑子的好处是，有方向感，死路还是活路，至少不会迷路。坏处是优越感，清人去缅北，发现后者还是部落时代，就歧视了;英人去宁波…","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"category":{"id":4,"name":"谈笑风生","slug":"general","color":"25AAE2"},"author":{"id":175,"username":"argmin","name":null,"avatarUrl":null},"tags":[]},"posts":[{"id":3971,"postNumber":1,"raw":"原作者：Potato Digger\n[原文链接](http://xhslink.com/sTToWr)\n\n成功学本质是线性的进步史观，marxim 的成功学：奴隶 - 封建 - 资本 - 和谐，heygirl 的成功学：少数人的自由 - 多数人的自由 - 所有人的自由，猴的成功学：⻘年上岸 - 中年上市 - 老年上树。共同点：相信历史/生活有规律可循，默认社会结构的强制性\n\n这种脑子的好处是，有方向感，死路还是活路，至少不会迷路。坏处是优越感，清人去缅北，发现后者还是部落时代，就歧视了;英人去宁波，发现后者还是封建时代，就歧视链了;这和一些名校猴面对大专的优越感是同一种优越感。奴役/PUA 都源于优越感，因为我比你高级 (源于社会结构决定论，所以我做的不是坏事，而是当正义爹\n\n反过来也作用于自身。因为假设生活是进步的，所以永远在路上，永远转折点、分水岭、关键事件。小李上岸失败，被迫处于“-”阶段，自暴自弃天天⻨当劳，很多人的心理被进步史观/成功学毁掉了\n\n多元史观则主张，历史/生活不存在进步也没有目的，社会结构决定论被行动主体决定论取代，所以别天天给自己加戏了！岸是你自己想象出来的，没上岸不是你的错，没尽力才是你的错\n\n中心、节点和阶段滚了，时间碎了一地，38 岁依旧⻘春期，也可以儿童期，主要看心情；追求“成功”不如追求少失败，论文写出来被 404 是小失败，论文写出来没被 404 是中失败，你连论文都写不出来，当然是大失败；考入名校是小失败，卖身名校是中失败，以名校为荣是大失败\n\n多元史观又名失败学，胜在好心态。如果知道自己迟早失败，就会平和很多。如果总认为自己会成功，一没成功，你就崩溃了\n\n一个用人的眼光看世界，放松但不放弃;一个用历史的眼光看世界，时不时感到无力是因为人成了历史前进的燃料\n\n进步史观：吃得苦中苦，方为人上人 (大理性\n多元史观：吃得苦中苦，方能少吃苦 (小动物","cooked":"

原作者：Potato Digger
\n原文链接

成功学本质是线性的进步史观，marxim 的成功学：奴隶 - 封建 - 资本 - 和谐，heygirl 的成功学：少数人的自由 - 多数人的自由 - 所有人的自由，猴的成功学：⻘年上岸 - 中年上市 - 老年上树。共同点：相信历史/生活有规律可循，默认社会结构的强制性

这种脑子的好处是，有方向感，死路还是活路，至少不会迷路。坏处是优越感，清人去缅北，发现后者还是部落时代，就歧视了;英人去宁波，发现后者还是封建时代，就歧视链了;这和一些名校猴面对大专的优越感是同一种优越感。奴役/PUA 都源于优越感，因为我比你高级 (源于社会结构决定论，所以我做的不是坏事，而是当正义爹

反过来也作用于自身。因为假设生活是进步的，所以永远在路上，永远转折点、分水岭、关键事件。小李上岸失败，被迫处于“-”阶段，自暴自弃天天⻨当劳，很多人的心理被进步史观/成功学毁掉了

多元史观则主张，历史/生活不存在进步也没有目的，社会结构决定论被行动主体决定论取代，所以别天天给自己加戏了！岸是你自己想象出来的，没上岸不是你的错，没尽力才是你的错

中心、节点和阶段滚了，时间碎了一地，38 岁依旧⻘春期，也可以儿童期，主要看心情；追求“成功”不如追求少失败，论文写出来被 404 是小失败，论文写出来没被 404 是中失败，你连论文都写不出来，当然是大失败；考入名校是小失败，卖身名校是中失败，以名校为荣是大失败

多元史观又名失败学，胜在好心态。如果知道自己迟早失败，就会平和很多。如果总认为自己会成功，一没成功，你就崩溃了

一个用人的眼光看世界，放松但不放弃;一个用历史的眼光看世界，时不时感到无力是因为人成了历史前进的燃料

进步史观：吃得苦中苦，方为人上人 (大理性
\n多元史观：吃得苦中苦，方能少吃苦 (小动物

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顶一下😋😋😋

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总结：反正爹妈不会让我饿着，那我想干啥干啥吧，啥都没干成也没关系。

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Failed I have. Into exile I must go.
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别尬黑，marxism 史观是哪门子进步史观，当然如果你说的是某官方哲学官方史学那当我没说，但扣大帽子并不代表着独立思考认真求证

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marxism 史观是哪门子进步史观
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求指教 orz

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“aut Caesar, aut nihi！”
\n要么成为凯撒，要么一无所有。
\n很进步史观

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