{"topic":{"id":14798,"title":"大四老登退役了。。","slug":"topic","categoryId":4,"createdAt":"2025-06-19 12:31:02.887827","bumpedAt":"2025-07-19 01:11:28.670714","views":800,"postsCount":41,"highestPostNumber":41,"likeCount":65,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"一年多没上门了。。。今天差不多正式退役了上来看看。少壮不努力，老大徒伤悲，最后没书读，只能去一个十八流学校读一个水硕。无颜面见门友。就这样吧。","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"category":{"id":4,"name":"谈笑风生","slug":"general","color":"25AAE2"},"author":{"id":425,"username":"Ogiso_Setsuna","name":"小木曽雪菜","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/84/e3/84e328169491dbc81e9b54386b259ed63a8e6678875dcf17803ec69c4c25cb99.avif"},"tags":["retire"]},"posts":[{"id":57246,"postNumber":1,"raw":"一年多没上门了。。。今天差不多正式退役了上来看看。少壮不努力，老大徒伤悲，最后没书读，只能去一个十八流学校读一个水硕。无颜面见门友。就这样吧。","cooked":"

一年多没上门了。。。今天差不多正式退役了上来看看。少壮不努力，老大徒伤悲，最后没书读，只能去一个十八流学校读一个水硕。无颜面见门友。就这样吧。

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以前的门友老面孔一个也没看到。。唉唉

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去一个十八流学校读一个水硕
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Congrats having books to read 🎉

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如果读硕有机会转 phd，应该转 phd 吗？No clue.

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具体情况具体分析，纯耗时间的话不如工作

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单读硕->很难找到工作->单凭打工熬身份很痛苦
\n没身份->
\n读 phd 很痛苦，不容易毕业->读 phd 较容易拿身份
\n->读 phd 可能熬过找工寒冬，可能熬到找工末日
\n->如果有工，phd 拿钱太少，错过了

归根结底就是身份和钱的问题，再归根结底就是首先是一个身份问题。

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唉找工我现在也很焦虑找工

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此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

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我曾是东八区的鼠鼠 $\":wave_gif:\"$ 不知門友你是否有印象 $\":face_holding_back_tears_hugging_face:\"$

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年月擦身过，暂且问，会更好吗？

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唉唉老登都退完了

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我觉得一切的根源都是没钱。。。有钱处处是天堂，有钱是一切精神追求的基础。记得 B 乎上有一个问题是“等你有钱了你要做什么”，高赞说要回学校读书，想学什么学什么。现在选专业也好，升学也好，有几个人先喜欢再选择的，很多人都是哪个能提升物质生活选哪个，现在选宇宙机的人，15 年前大概率去学土木投身基建房地产，7 年前可能会在 cs 和金融里面挑一个，现在只能祈祷到后面别像学土木的一毕业发现行业倒闭了。

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现在选宇宙机的人，15 年前大概率去学土木投身基建房地产，7 年前可能会在 cs 和金融里面挑一个，现在只能祈祷到后面别像学土木的一毕业发现行业倒闭了
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我现在真的破防了😭

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此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

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似乎并非啊。如果金钱不能带来精神上的解放，人反而会成为金钱的奴隶。不少欧洲年轻人，穷的叮当响，仍然会掏空最后一点积蓄去世界各地旅游，住那种最便宜、满是臭虫的青旅，实在没钱了就打点零工。但是他们仍然是幸福的。而老钟做题鼠人，从小压抑到大，读个并不喜欢的专业，找个并不喜欢的工作，相亲个并不太认识的人结婚，生个并不清楚该如何面对的子女，即便有钱，住在昂贵的水泥盒子里，他们的精神和前者相比，哪个更自由呢？美团的大学生，背着学生贷，电磁感应左手右手分不清，仍然有一种自发的、天然的与生俱来的气质，拍张自拍都要写“Future Bio-engineer ✨️” 。同龄的老钟大学生，哪个不是为了日后的生计思前想后，殚精竭虑呢？这种自信，是由金钱所带来的吗？我见过来自德国的中年夫妇，在寻常的工作日飞越一片大洋两片大陆来到太平洋沿岸度假，自由洒脱，戴着头盔骑着摩托在好莱坞山上飞驰。而老钟人，有这个金钱实力的很多，能花的出去的却很少。噫！大概自由意志并不存在吧。人生来是什么，就会作为什么死去。人尚且不能主宰自己的命运，金钱能改变的又有多少呢？

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硕士挺好的，对一些人读着读着就不想读博了 😋

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1、个人愚见：金钱是个人精神解放的基础，国家的经济实力和 zz 制度是国民有更美好的精神生活的基础。
\n2、金钱是必要条件，但不是充分条件。一个吃了上顿没下顿的人，不会有任何精神上的富足（极少数的世外高人和苦行僧除外）。
\n3、关于 op 讲的欧洲/美国年轻人，我没有在欧洲/美国长期居住过，我不能保证我以下的言论完全正确，但是我仍然想分享一下自己的观点；
\n4、欧洲年轻人为什么愿意穷游世界？我认为这和欧洲各国的社会保障制度有非常强的关系，这就是 1 中的“国家经济实力”，是国家“有钱”。欧洲的兜底的社会保障机制让他们对贫穷没有 ptsd，没有恐惧。
\n5、美国大学生对普通的自己感到非常自信，这是完全的后天培育的结果。他们从小接受的是鼓励教育，就是那种你回答 5+5=9，老师都会夸你“虽然你数学不好，但是你 blabla 还有很多优点”的鼓励教育。B 乎看来的：在 us，有个亚裔开的私立学校升学成绩很好，但是毕业生和家长会痛骂那个学校，因为那个学校天天考试，强调成绩，没人鼓励一个 5+5=9 的“宝宝”（完全是一个开在美国的中国学校），那里的毕业生基本上被打击得完全没自信了。
\n6、为什么美国有这种鼓励教育？因为美国不穷，美国从来没挨过饿。美国最穷的 10% 家里餐桌上的食物是什么？中国最穷的 10% 家里餐桌上的食物又是什么？哪怕是大萧条期间，美国也没出现“易子而食”“吃土”。
\n7、大家经常讨论的欧洲老美的松弛、没有 35 岁危机，是 zz 制度和经济实力的产物，缺了一个都不行，经济实力是包容开放文明的制度的基础，毕竟中世纪的封建领主可不会考虑佃农是否松弛。这个问题似乎仍然可以深挖但是最好不要这样做。
\n8、老钟没有 op 想的那么有钱，我们一个月能赚多少钱？能有多少退休金；有没有背几十年的房贷？生了病会不会返贫？养小孩的成本能不能负担？父母养老能不能解决？这些问题的答案恐怕没那么好看。op 也应该很清楚现在大学生毕业的平均工资是多少。
\n9、作为浙江考生，个人感觉，经济越差的地方，越容易有小镇做题家，家里越穷，越有可能成为小镇做题家。我的高中同学没有很明显的老鼠味，因为 45 个人的班级，只有 2、3 个人的父母不在体制内。
\n10、第 9 条听起来像不像一种经济发达省份的体制内家庭的 privilege？这就是西方对东方的 privilege 的汉化版。
\n11、关于精神面貌的问题，有很大的讨论空间，但是一直探讨下去可能会带来更多烦恼和痛苦，所以我只有吃饱了撑的的时候才想这些。
\n12、读 phd 或许没那么好，phd 也挺像一种路径依赖的，但是 op 如果想清楚了，还是祝 op 能成功硕转博。

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找到学界的 position 就挺好的，只要愿意交流，在现代社会是不太缺少机会的。

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自信这点不好说，本人自信心被打击最大的就是在 ucb 读书的这半年，想滚回老家当老师的想法也是那时候才产生的。现在正在堪堪重建自我认知。其实就是在天才身边以为自己是废物，但不过是个普通人。

不过松弛感挺松弛，和 TA 人生相谈的时候发现那边对自己的未来没什么具体的规划（？）很多准备走一步看一步总之没有大一大二垂直实习大三暑期转正这种明确的路径规划

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此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

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所以饭还是得一口一口吃

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何意味

\n","createdAt":"2025-06-20 11:16:41.18985","updatedAt":"2025-06-20 11:16:47.112173","replyToPostNumber":17,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":3,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":7014,"username":"兴庆宫第一迷路幽灵","name":"post deleted by author","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/bb/0e/bb0ebbc98562fa3e00284e17f15383c53f688af071adf093639e69f313d610a1.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。","signatureCooked":"

此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

\n"}},{"id":57386,"postNumber":19,"raw":"[quote=\"随风不逝，post:16, topic:14798\"]\n自信心被打击最大的就是在 ucb 读书的这半年\n[/quote]\n\n> 根据标准智商测试，科学界的伟人并不以其非凡的才智而著称；他们真正的突出之处是他们持续工作的能力。**伟大的科学家几乎都是工作狂**。伟大的科学家有着惊人的毅力，他们的**精神疲惫阈值非常高**。\n\n![image|663x347](/uploads/image/39/f9/39f9f52ee0cdf1c8d00fb11fb222e7f1d4b8780a5c0fc2c924fc295ca573b754.avif)","cooked":"

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自信心被打击最大的就是在 ucb 读书的这半年
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根据标准智商测试，科学界的伟人并不以其非凡的才智而著称；他们真正的突出之处是他们持续工作的能力。伟大的科学家几乎都是工作狂。伟大的科学家有着惊人的毅力，他们的精神疲惫阈值非常高。
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抛开最贫困落后悲惨的地区不谈，在现代社会，保持温饱、实现个人精神解放并不需要很多钱。实现个人精神的解放，主要并不在于金钱的多少，而在于人的本身。有的人只需要实现温饱就能怡然自得，有的人则不论有多少钱都永远焦虑。你交一个工科毕业的本科生，非天坑专业，成绩中等，刚毕业每月也能拿勉强五位数的工资。如果要考虑“能有多少退休金；有没有背几十年的房贷？生了病会不会返贫？养小孩的成本能不能负担？父母养老能不能解决”这些，那么这个工资连贫困线都不会到。但是如果不用考虑这些，那么这个工资就可以活的比较滋润。金钱带来的解放不在于有多少钱，而在于花多少钱。到手的钱到底是你自己的，而该怎么花这些钱确似乎有着外界强加的因素。人是自由的吗？如果我们连自己怎么花钱都无法决定，那我们又能决定什么呢？

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美国大学生对普通的自己感到非常自信，这是完全的后天培育的结果
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人是天生自信的，还是天生自卑的？如果我们认可“学了 X 专业->未来从事 X 专业的工作”是一个自然人的自然推断，那么就不应当对此而感到大惊小怪。如果一个人的性格、思想完全由后天的环境所影响，那么人不再是人的本身，而只是环境的一个缩影。人的行为也不是自由意志的体现，而是完全由社会的宏观形态可以推测而来的必然结果罢了。如果自由意志不存在，那么精神解放又有何意义呢？
\n浙江的经济比不少欧洲小国要强，但是浙江人就一定比这些小国的人精神更解放吗？不少浙江人，从小做题卷到大，读书时比成绩，最后卷到美团读 phd，再卷进硅谷，再卷到比 package，比学区房，比小孩成绩，这种路径和留在国内又有何异呢？环境改变了，似乎人也没变。在硅谷的老钟程序员，他们缺钱吗，缺假期吗？为什么仍然到哪都有一股“做题味”？还是说，如果成长期没钱，就算未来有钱了，也没救了呢？

也许生命只是一团在冰冷的星光间的平凡火焰，自由意志只是一声决定论宇宙里空荡的长笑，万事万物自有其理，我们又何必庸人自扰呢？

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