{"topic":{"id":142,"title":"关于网站域名的理性讨论","slug":"topic","categoryId":2,"createdAt":"2023-06-01 13:40:17.252334","bumpedAt":"2024-05-04 01:53:04.280603","views":1287,"postsCount":38,"highestPostNumber":39,"likeCount":87,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"首先，本帖目的不是引战，单纯地想要提出一点疑问和私人的见解。希望大家不要有过激言论，意见不合也不要上升到人身攻击的地步，鞠躬。接下来是我的一家之言，希望可以和大家一起讨论一下，peace & love。对于本站的域名是 xjtu.app，说实话最开始看到这个域名的时候没有和门（gate）联想到一起，反倒是以为是 men 这个英文单词的意思，所以还疑惑了一下难不成是什么男性专属论坛？不知道站主是没考虑过这个问题，还是玩了一把一语…","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"category":{"id":2,"name":"网站","slug":"website","color":"986a44"},"author":{"id":87,"username":"abandon","name":null,"avatarUrl":null},"tags":["devops","domain"]},"posts":[{"id":299,"postNumber":1,"raw":"首先，本帖目的不是引战，单纯地想要提出一点疑问和私人的见解。希望大家不要有过激言论，意见不合也不要上升到人身攻击的地步，鞠躬。接下来是我的一家之言，希望可以和大家一起讨论一下，peace & love。\n对于本站的域名是 xjtu.app，说实话最开始看到这个域名的时候没有和门（gate）联想到一起，反倒是以为是 men 这个英文单词的意思，所以还疑惑了一下难不成是什么男性专属论坛？不知道站主是没考虑过这个问题，还是玩了一把一语双关？但是作为女性用户的话，第一反应其实是不太喜欢这个域名，会感觉性别感过强，从而产生抗拒或者根本就不感兴趣。西交虽然工科为主，男性居多，但是潜在的女性用户也有不小的数量，所以考虑到网站日后的用户发展的话，这个域名是否恰当或许有待进一步商榷。\n当然，网站的域名修改或者合并肯定也是需要一定成本和代价的，为爱发电本也不应受到苛责。所以，我发帖讨论的目的在于，一个是作为女性用户提出自己的感受，以供开发团队参考，另一个是希望和大家共同探讨一下这个问题，寻求相近或者不同的意见，最后，也是希望网站能够有更好更长远的发展。\n最后，不太经常发帖，所以可能有点长了，希望大家能多多包容。我知道跟性别相关的话题总是容易掀起腥风血雨，但是我也相信即使是网络，也有能平和讨论相对敏感话题的机会，所以做出了这次尝试。希望能够看到大家的友善发言，p&l。","cooked":"

首先，本帖目的不是引战，单纯地想要提出一点疑问和私人的见解。希望大家不要有过激言论，意见不合也不要上升到人身攻击的地步，鞠躬。接下来是我的一家之言，希望可以和大家一起讨论一下，peace & love。
\n对于本站的域名是 xjtu.app，说实话最开始看到这个域名的时候没有和门（gate）联想到一起，反倒是以为是 men 这个英文单词的意思，所以还疑惑了一下难不成是什么男性专属论坛？不知道站主是没考虑过这个问题，还是玩了一把一语双关？但是作为女性用户的话，第一反应其实是不太喜欢这个域名，会感觉性别感过强，从而产生抗拒或者根本就不感兴趣。西交虽然工科为主，男性居多，但是潜在的女性用户也有不小的数量，所以考虑到网站日后的用户发展的话，这个域名是否恰当或许有待进一步商榷。
\n当然，网站的域名修改或者合并肯定也是需要一定成本和代价的，为爱发电本也不应受到苛责。所以，我发帖讨论的目的在于，一个是作为女性用户提出自己的感受，以供开发团队参考，另一个是希望和大家共同探讨一下这个问题，寻求相近或者不同的意见，最后，也是希望网站能够有更好更长远的发展。
\n最后，不太经常发帖，所以可能有点长了，希望大家能多多包容。我知道跟性别相关的话题总是容易掀起腥风血雨，但是我也相信即使是网络，也有能平和讨论相对敏感话题的机会，所以做出了这次尝试。希望能够看到大家的友善发言，p&l。

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如果你认为 men 代表“门”的谐音，此话题终结；
\n如果你认为 men 代表英语单词 men，请参考 men 和 man 的词源：
\nmen - 词源
\nman - 词源
\n可以看到，这个词在大多数时候是指”Homo -> 智人“, \"secular man, layman -> 世俗人\"。
\n当然 men 这个词有”男人“的语义，但在我接触到的公共信息平台，men 更多的呈现的是它无性别的语义。
\n词仅仅是一个符号，其语义是社会话语赋予的，在历史上也是不断变化的，这取决于社会共识。如果更多人坚持认为这个词对女性造成了很大的冒犯，那么其无性别的语义则会被进一步弱化。

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我对 xjtu.app 的理解更偏向”西交门“ / ”西交人“

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哈哈，这位姐妹说得很有意思，其实我注册这个域名的时候没想这么多，xjtu.*基本都被注册完了，而.men 这个 TLD 促销所以就注册了好几年。

另外，关于人类语言中性别不平等 Reddit 上面有帖子说这个：

\n
La langue française est sexiste.
\n法语是一门充斥着性别歧视的语言。
\nUn courtisan, c'est un homme que l'on voit auprès du roi.
\nCourtisan 意思是“国王身边的人、朝臣“。
\nUne courtisane, c'est une pute.
\nCourtisane（courtisan 的阴性形式）却是“妓女”的意思。
\nUn entraîneur, c'est un homme qui entraîne les sportifs.
\n一个 entraîneur 是说训练运动员的教练。
\nUne entraîneuse, c'est une pute.
\nEntraîneuse（entraîneur 的阴性形式）指的却是“妓女”。
\n

\n
就跟小姐、公主、媛这样一样
\n

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要说名字可能带来的冲突的话，”交大门“不是更容易被理解成 SJTU 吗？

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其实确实也算是父系社会发展至今遗留问题，许多词汇既属于男性，也同时指代无关性别的整个群体，而指代女性的时候就会加上特定的前缀，或许是因为社会默认男性为主体，而女性则是附加于之上的另一份群体吧。这种社会默认传递出的潜意识如此深远，也让人无奈。
\n仔细想想，有 men，有 women，有 male，有 female，好像确实也很难找到比 men 更不具备性别的指代人类的词，难不成用 human...而这个事实，让人感到沮丧。语言的发展或许会随着时代变化，但这种变化或许会是十分缓慢的。此刻用着这套语言系统的我们，即使感到不适，好像也没有能够立即改变或者应对的方法。也不知道有生之年能看到它发生变化吗

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如果你认真看过我前面发的词源信息并且有历史常识的话，应该意识到父系社会诞生于旧石器时代、新石器时代，而 man 语义转向\"a woman's lover\"是 14 世纪的事情，真要牵连什么历史事件的话不应该去质疑文艺复兴和宗教改革吗？

\n
As \"a woman's lover,\" by mid-14c
\n

man - 词源

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谢谢你的科普。我此前没有对词源或者语言发展有过相关研究，只是给出了自己直观的粗浅的印象。在当下我所接触到的语言里，men 在直观上给我的第一反应会带有 male 这个性别色彩，于是我讲出了自己对这个域名的第一印象。它或许不正确，但是是真实且客观存在的。当然，这也只是我个人的感受，不代表群体。或许是我所接受的信息有局限性和偏颇之处，所以也潜移默化地影响到了我的认知？谢谢你的提醒和探讨，它不仅增长了一些我对语言的认知，也让我反思了自己所受到的无形影响，看到了直观和真实之间的区别。
\n受限于语言学方面的知识匮乏，我也很难对它的历史渊源和发展历程方面进行更多更深的讨论。不过如果你对这方面有相关研究和更多的见解且不吝赐教的话，我也很乐意进行学习和互动。

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另外，我平时几乎没有在网络上发帖或者评论过，所以不太清楚相关的规则礼仪，我想我的发言可能有些过于冗长和书面化，也许还有某些冒犯到大家的地方。如果有的话我诚挚道歉。第一次发帖，出乎意料地，获益良多。感谢你的耐心回复。

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-01 15:43:56.409829","updatedAt":"2023-06-01 15:43:56.409829","replyToPostNumber":7,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":107,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":87,"username":"abandon","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":321,"postNumber":10,"raw":"You are so kind. \n\n现代人用 BBS 的已经很少了，就国外 Reddit 还活跃一点，都在刷 tiktok。\n\n这里比较自由，相信大家都很 open-minded，不用这么客气。","cooked":"

You are so kind.

现代人用 BBS 的已经很少了，就国外 Reddit 还活跃一点，都在刷 tiktok。

这里比较自由，相信大家都很 open-minded，不用这么客气。

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因为几乎没有在网络发表过自己的言论，不愿意冒犯别人也不喜欢被别人冒犯，有时候围观发帖会感受到过重的戾气让我想要逃离。所以难免谨慎了一些。
\n不知道是不是新网站的原因，感觉活跃用户好像并不多？不过也正是因为感觉目前活跃用户不太多，才尝试着发言了一下。估计人多之后就会再次想要逃离吧...互联网的戾气和过于充沛的情绪总是让我感到疲倦、厌恶与恐惧。这里会成为一个平和而包容的地方吗？

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-01 16:03:46.097764","updatedAt":"2023-06-01 16:03:46.097764","replyToPostNumber":10,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":184,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":87,"username":"abandon","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":336,"postNumber":12,"raw":"楼主让我想起了一些有趣的事情，或许和本帖讨论主题已经南辕北辙了，但是同样也是性别方面遇到的一些小苦恼。\n\n前一阵子渡边淳一的《钝感力》因为其令人费解的核心思想火了一把，该书在互联网平台上被视为男凝视角典型作品，但是这些内容对于一些日本女性来说，或许真的是一种有效的方法。\n我当然不赞同那种自我欺骗的钝感力。但是由于经常参与游戏领域这样男性居多的话题，我会不由自主地避开性别相关讨论，成为“具有钝感力的女玩家”。大概是由于在现在的社会背景下，性别这种简单的、二元的分类方法，太容易引发话题的偏离和情绪的对立，从而造成不必要的麻烦，因此我非常理解楼主在网络发言上的谨慎，有时候被默认成男性也不会去纠正。也有线下交易或者交流的情况，经常会发生“我以为你是个男生”这样的对话。\n\n我的钝感力一直维持得不错，直到我经常看的一个游戏节目公然调侃“某平台女玩家占比 48%”这条新闻，节目主持人半开玩笑地质疑这条数据的真实性，还附上了玩梗小剧场。那一刻，一种不可名状的愤怒促使我关闭了视频，我恨不得揪住主持人的领子大声反驳，恨不得把弹幕里优越的男玩家一个个抓出来道歉。但是我不能做到什么，愤怒很快被钝感取代。\n少数弱势群体总会面临这样的情况：亚文化向主流文化靠拢并且被吞没，少数性取向的人被多数性取向者视为异端，在工科学校或者文科学校中少数性别的不适应，由于历史原因产生的社会弱势群体利益受损等等。如果不想被离群，只能向集体趋同，要么迫使自己不在意，要么习惯不在意。钝感力就这样产生了。\n\n直到今晚，刚好在玩美末 2，看着女主和她的女朋友谈情说爱，打开交大門，又看到这篇帖子。如此巧合让我突然产生出一些微不足道的感慨——少数群体登上主流文化的舞台，还能彰显出自己的独特性，这与其说是政治正确，不如说是对 ta 们练就那一身钝感的补偿——毕竟那种习惯性的隐藏，是精神在经历无数次愤怒后的平静的疤痕，像皮肤上厚厚的茧子一样，再也不会褪去了。\n\n关于社会的性别话题，我没有太多资历、也没有什么资格去展开讨论，但是面对发声者，我向你致以敬意。不是每个人都有勇气刺破可怖的水泡，将由于少数或者弱势而产生的情绪放在众人面前。同时，交大門也让我看到了难以在大多数群体中展现出的宽容和耐心。面临着本专业如此明显的就业歧视，面临着未来平衡家庭和工作的压力，面临着对生育和婚姻的迷茫，原本已经钝感的我，悄悄地产生出一点勇气来。","cooked":"

楼主让我想起了一些有趣的事情，或许和本帖讨论主题已经南辕北辙了，但是同样也是性别方面遇到的一些小苦恼。

前一阵子渡边淳一的《钝感力》因为其令人费解的核心思想火了一把，该书在互联网平台上被视为男凝视角典型作品，但是这些内容对于一些日本女性来说，或许真的是一种有效的方法。
\n我当然不赞同那种自我欺骗的钝感力。但是由于经常参与游戏领域这样男性居多的话题，我会不由自主地避开性别相关讨论，成为“具有钝感力的女玩家”。大概是由于在现在的社会背景下，性别这种简单的、二元的分类方法，太容易引发话题的偏离和情绪的对立，从而造成不必要的麻烦，因此我非常理解楼主在网络发言上的谨慎，有时候被默认成男性也不会去纠正。也有线下交易或者交流的情况，经常会发生“我以为你是个男生”这样的对话。

我的钝感力一直维持得不错，直到我经常看的一个游戏节目公然调侃“某平台女玩家占比 48%”这条新闻，节目主持人半开玩笑地质疑这条数据的真实性，还附上了玩梗小剧场。那一刻，一种不可名状的愤怒促使我关闭了视频，我恨不得揪住主持人的领子大声反驳，恨不得把弹幕里优越的男玩家一个个抓出来道歉。但是我不能做到什么，愤怒很快被钝感取代。
\n少数弱势群体总会面临这样的情况：亚文化向主流文化靠拢并且被吞没，少数性取向的人被多数性取向者视为异端，在工科学校或者文科学校中少数性别的不适应，由于历史原因产生的社会弱势群体利益受损等等。如果不想被离群，只能向集体趋同，要么迫使自己不在意，要么习惯不在意。钝感力就这样产生了。

直到今晚，刚好在玩美末 2，看着女主和她的女朋友谈情说爱，打开交大門，又看到这篇帖子。如此巧合让我突然产生出一些微不足道的感慨——少数群体登上主流文化的舞台，还能彰显出自己的独特性，这与其说是政治正确，不如说是对 ta 们练就那一身钝感的补偿——毕竟那种习惯性的隐藏，是精神在经历无数次愤怒后的平静的疤痕，像皮肤上厚厚的茧子一样，再也不会褪去了。

关于社会的性别话题，我没有太多资历、也没有什么资格去展开讨论，但是面对发声者，我向你致以敬意。不是每个人都有勇气刺破可怖的水泡，将由于少数或者弱势而产生的情绪放在众人面前。同时，交大門也让我看到了难以在大多数群体中展现出的宽容和耐心。面临着本专业如此明显的就业歧视，面临着未来平衡家庭和工作的压力，面临着对生育和婚姻的迷茫，原本已经钝感的我，悄悄地产生出一点勇气来。

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-01 19:18:35.940077","updatedAt":"2023-06-01 19:18:35.940077","replyToPostNumber":11,"replyCount":2,"likeCount":2,"wordCount":974,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":2,"users":[{"id":87,"username":"abandon","name":null},{"id":2590,"username":"Ocular","name":null}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":20,"username":"QuantumAssHitter","name":"量子打屁手","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/11/bb/11bb34e51df1e31c5ac30d9942688dc13c74a41db4ea7e5747250d132dbdd1a2.avif","admin":false,"moderator":true,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":337,"postNumber":13,"raw":"我只能说如果是我高中时期，我肯定会觉得 men 应该是门，类似校内门户网站的含义，如果用 gate 之类的肯定学校先注册过了，但是自从打拳风气越来越盛行之后我第一反应也是性别关联🤔️，感觉这可能与观者认知有关，何况 men 本身不是我们使用的母语，强调性别也是 man 或者 nan 会更明显一点？客观一点来说可能是某种互联网应激反应吧","cooked":"

我只能说如果是我高中时期，我肯定会觉得 men 应该是门，类似校内门户网站的含义，如果用 gate 之类的肯定学校先注册过了，但是自从打拳风气越来越盛行之后我第一反应也是性别关联🤔️，感觉这可能与观者认知有关，何况 men 本身不是我们使用的母语，强调性别也是 man 或者 nan 会更明显一点？客观一点来说可能是某种互联网应激反应吧

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说实话，我确实没有发现 men 可能会带上男女区别之问题😔，但事实表明不同身份不同处境关注的东西不同 (或许是好事)，希望能在这发现更多元的思想

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-02 00:40:40.817415","updatedAt":"2023-06-02 00:40:40.817415","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":4,"wordCount":65,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":4,"users":[{"id":76,"username":"Esther","name":"Esther"},{"id":87,"username":"abandon","name":null},{"id":276,"username":"inque","name":null},{"id":339,"username":"Urdak","name":"Urdak"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":100,"username":"Archer","name":"卫宫今天吃什么","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/e5/3c/e53c4993aa439bdf43c3b10a9141bcf2ba8bf88b0b82d80844670a3ece3b1939.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":460,"postNumber":15,"raw":"#女性力量我听见有个声音","cooked":"

#女性力量我听见有个声音

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-02 07:17:20.189974","updatedAt":"2023-06-02 07:17:20.189974","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":12,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":131,"username":"ChanWingYan","name":"陳永仁 | CHAN Wing Yan","avatarUrl":null,"admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":468,"postNumber":16,"raw":"我想我应该感受过你提到的钝感力。我不太想要与人发生矛盾和争论，但是我却天生比较敏感。从小，身边一些司空见惯的、习以为常的有关性别的规训和框架，社会默许的轻视与偏向，时常让我如鲠在喉，但我却没有足够的精力和勇气去一次次点破、反抗。其实也不止是性别相关的，小到家庭中的父权与捆绑，大到社会上的排资论辈、贫富差距、阶级固化甚至阶级对立，一切的压迫与不平等都让我感到强烈的不适与痛苦。我也时常因为这些过于敏感的感知而苦恼，身边的人会告诉我，“这不是千百年来的常态吗，怎么就你忍不了” “你太敏感了吧，这样好累” “你想多了吧，我觉得没有啊” ，这偶尔也会让我产生自我怀疑和退缩。我告诉自己，既然无能为力，那就不要去想，要和光同尘，不要太敏感。我尝试让自己获得钝感力，但是短暂的自我封闭后，下一次，当我再次感受到这种不公时，还是会被刺痛。闭眼、遮耳、闭嘴中，我或许只勉强做到了闭嘴。\n我也会想，是不是只有处于劣势的“弱者”才会追求所谓的公平，而占尽优势、身为既得利益者的“强者”们，真的会去考虑“弱者”的处境和渴求吗？那么单纯靠所谓的弱者，又该怎样去追求所谓的公平呢？\n我想，在性别这个议题上，想要让在大部分方面都占据优势的男性设身处地体会到女性的感受，应该是很难的，这也是符合规律的人之常情。但是，在工作、学习、生活中，应该所有人都或多或少地体会过不公，压迫，歧视，有过愤怒、憋屈与无奈吧。所以，将心比心，如果遇到某一次，女性在你们觉得完全没必要的事情上，发表她们的想法与意见的时候，哪怕不能理解，不能感同身受，不能支持，也希望大家多一点宽容。至于要如何应对这些不公，如何推进社会公平，这是一个浩大而复杂的工程，我还没有找到答案。","cooked":"

我想我应该感受过你提到的钝感力。我不太想要与人发生矛盾和争论，但是我却天生比较敏感。从小，身边一些司空见惯的、习以为常的有关性别的规训和框架，社会默许的轻视与偏向，时常让我如鲠在喉，但我却没有足够的精力和勇气去一次次点破、反抗。其实也不止是性别相关的，小到家庭中的父权与捆绑，大到社会上的排资论辈、贫富差距、阶级固化甚至阶级对立，一切的压迫与不平等都让我感到强烈的不适与痛苦。我也时常因为这些过于敏感的感知而苦恼，身边的人会告诉我，“这不是千百年来的常态吗，怎么就你忍不了” “你太敏感了吧，这样好累” “你想多了吧，我觉得没有啊” ，这偶尔也会让我产生自我怀疑和退缩。我告诉自己，既然无能为力，那就不要去想，要和光同尘，不要太敏感。我尝试让自己获得钝感力，但是短暂的自我封闭后，下一次，当我再次感受到这种不公时，还是会被刺痛。闭眼、遮耳、闭嘴中，我或许只勉强做到了闭嘴。
\n我也会想，是不是只有处于劣势的“弱者”才会追求所谓的公平，而占尽优势、身为既得利益者的“强者”们，真的会去考虑“弱者”的处境和渴求吗？那么单纯靠所谓的弱者，又该怎样去追求所谓的公平呢？
\n我想，在性别这个议题上，想要让在大部分方面都占据优势的男性设身处地体会到女性的感受，应该是很难的，这也是符合规律的人之常情。但是，在工作、学习、生活中，应该所有人都或多或少地体会过不公，压迫，歧视，有过愤怒、憋屈与无奈吧。所以，将心比心，如果遇到某一次，女性在你们觉得完全没必要的事情上，发表她们的想法与意见的时候，哪怕不能理解，不能感同身受，不能支持，也希望大家多一点宽容。至于要如何应对这些不公，如何推进社会公平，这是一个浩大而复杂的工程，我还没有找到答案。

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-02 07:51:07.349346","updatedAt":"2023-06-02 07:51:07.349346","replyToPostNumber":12,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":4,"wordCount":705,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":4,"users":[{"id":20,"username":"QuantumAssHitter","name":"量子打屁手"},{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old"},{"id":1908,"username":"SunshineRose","name":"阳光玫瑰"},{"id":2590,"username":"Ocular","name":null}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":87,"username":"abandon","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":679,"postNumber":17,"raw":"呃呃，大家这么有文化吗，ssfd","cooked":"

呃呃，大家这么有文化吗，ssfd

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-03 08:08:11.497959","updatedAt":"2023-06-03 08:08:11.497959","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":12,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":255,"username":"LeBlanC","name":null}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":60,"username":"Speed001","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":680,"postNumber":18,"raw":"很喜欢这个帖子的讨论氛围，所以收藏了！没有大家那么有文化，就乱七八糟扯点别的，最近刚看完漫长的季节，对里面的“爹味”很是反感，虽然确实很喜欢范伟的演技，但对于里面几个爹味角色，自己的女性视角会把它放大，放大到影响自己认真的看这部剧，之后听了一些别的 up 主的评价，才觉得这部剧很不错，如果认真分析每个人的“爹味”，“爹味”这个词也不是完全的贬义词了。当然还有春节档的几部电影里面的性别问题，占了我对其评价部分的 50% 甚至往上。有时候确实会在想自己是不是过于敏感，女性视角会影响我评价当下的所有文艺作品，但敏感也是好的，敏感的人多了大环境自然会变好。\n还有我觉得这个帖子很有意义，至少它强调了论坛中女性的存在，交大确实男生多，有一部分男生很容易在一些群里开始集体厌女，就是“这群小仙女 xx”，不在意群里有没有女性和女性的感受，强调论坛中有女性如果有人发厌女贴会被反感很重要，现在还是初期，而且论坛完全匿名，之后人多了会不会出现一些让人不适的帖子。不过这个帖子大家讨论的氛围真的很舒服！ :blowing_a_kiss:","cooked":"

很喜欢这个帖子的讨论氛围，所以收藏了！没有大家那么有文化，就乱七八糟扯点别的，最近刚看完漫长的季节，对里面的“爹味”很是反感，虽然确实很喜欢范伟的演技，但对于里面几个爹味角色，自己的女性视角会把它放大，放大到影响自己认真的看这部剧，之后听了一些别的 up 主的评价，才觉得这部剧很不错，如果认真分析每个人的“爹味”，“爹味”这个词也不是完全的贬义词了。当然还有春节档的几部电影里面的性别问题，占了我对其评价部分的 50% 甚至往上。有时候确实会在想自己是不是过于敏感，女性视角会影响我评价当下的所有文艺作品，但敏感也是好的，敏感的人多了大环境自然会变好。
\n还有我觉得这个帖子很有意义，至少它强调了论坛中女性的存在，交大确实男生多，有一部分男生很容易在一些群里开始集体厌女，就是“这群小仙女 xx”，不在意群里有没有女性和女性的感受，强调论坛中有女性如果有人发厌女贴会被反感很重要，现在还是初期，而且论坛完全匿名，之后人多了会不会出现一些让人不适的帖子。不过这个帖子大家讨论的氛围真的很舒服！ 😘

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-03 08:43:59.642301","updatedAt":"2023-06-03 08:43:59.642301","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":432,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":86,"username":"asdfjkl","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":740,"postNumber":19,"raw":"> 之后人多了会不会出现一些让人不适的帖子。\n\n人数增加后什么事情都有可能发生，这对于本站来说既是机遇也是挑战，所以我最近草拟了几条社区守则：https://xjtu.app/faq，希望能可持续发展。\n\n我主要尽可能地满足用户的功能需求，并维护社区的健康。其余的顺其自然就好，不对本站期望太高。","cooked":"

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之后人多了会不会出现一些让人不适的帖子。
\n

人数增加后什么事情都有可能发生，这对于本站来说既是机遇也是挑战，所以我最近草拟了几条社区守则：/faq%EF%BC%8C%E5%B8%8C%E6%9C%9B%E8%83%BD%E5%8F%AF%E6%8C%81%E7%BB%AD%E5%8F%91%E5%B1%95%E3%80%82

我主要尽可能地满足用户的功能需求，并维护社区的健康。其余的顺其自然就好，不对本站期望太高。

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-03 09:54:09.963026","updatedAt":"2024-03-17 03:58:21.297414","replyToPostNumber":18,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":122,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":276,"username":"inque","name":null}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":2,"publicVersion":2,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/43/32/4332638c11248b8ff07033c11de0759a55205facfbec85e14458245a91991faf.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":741,"postNumber":20,"raw":"同第一眼看到时感觉 men 不好，没有 xjtu.gate 之类的域名吗（","cooked":"

同第一眼看到时感觉 men 不好，没有 xjtu.gate 之类的域名吗（

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-03 09:59:15.949969","updatedAt":"2023-06-03 09:59:15.949969","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":23,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":175,"username":"argmin","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":744,"postNumber":21,"raw":"哦对，有一个建议是，如果之后社区变大了开始需要管理员，希望可以同时招收男性和女性管理，一些比较积极的男性一般是贴吧资深用户，他们对于女性感受可能不会很敏锐。","cooked":"

哦对，有一个建议是，如果之后社区变大了开始需要管理员，希望可以同时招收男性和女性管理，一些比较积极的男性一般是贴吧资深用户，他们对于女性感受可能不会很敏锐。

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-03 10:03:32.347043","updatedAt":"2023-06-03 10:03:32.347043","replyToPostNumber":19,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":2,"wordCount":78,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":2,"users":[{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old"},{"id":1908,"username":"SunshineRose","name":"阳光玫瑰"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":86,"username":"asdfjkl","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":746,"postNumber":22,"raw":"我是先注册的.men 域名再想的名字，随便叫*交大人*或者*交大門*都无所谓。\n\n经过我在 ICANN 网站查询，还没公司申请.gate gTLD.\nhttps://data.iana.org/TLD/tlds-alpha-by-domain.txt","cooked":"

我是先注册的.men 域名再想的名字，随便叫交大人或者交大門都无所谓。

经过我在 ICANN 网站查询，还没公司申请.gate gTLD.

https://data.iana.org/TLD/tlds-alpha-by-domain.txt

","createdAt":"2023-06-03 10:08:15.444246","updatedAt":"2024-03-17 03:58:21.405932","replyToPostNumber":20,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":54,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":2,"publicVersion":2,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/43/32/4332638c11248b8ff07033c11de0759a55205facfbec85e14458245a91991faf.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":935,"postNumber":24,"raw":"此贴看下来十分感慨，现在很难在互联网上找到这样和谐、包容、严谨的讨论环境了，这也是交大門建立的初衷之一吧。\n#\n*交大門*对应*xjtu.app*，本身就有一层联想诱导，我起初也没想到 male 这层意思。不过，容我大胆地猜测，楼主想说的应该是，我们应该重新思考、解构那些**理所应当**的【男性主导现象】乃至【性别本质主义】？\n#\n作为女性，我非常理解你的困扰与愿望。很幸运地，我自己从小到大并没有受到什么父权逻辑的压迫，身边反倒有许多同学和朋友也是女性主义者，或许将这些观念内化成自身一部分的后果便是，我不再那么敏感不安。意识到女性正在从传统的他者变为主角，意识到当下社会更强调人人 GTOW（go their own way）的多元价值，意识到为保障“弱者”和少数群体权益，许多切实可靠的措施正在被实行，我对自己的信念更加安心了。\n#\n这是盲目的乐观吗？我不知道，毕竟透明的天花板如今依旧存在，而其他的不公现象也正猖狂。但是，楼主不用过度不安，因为有千千万万的人和你站在一起。\n#\n个人的质问和思考是第一步，即便这是微不足道的；发声并被听见是第二步；坚持实践，实现（女性的，不被定义的）自我价值是第三步。\n#\n\n> The greatest ambition of a woman is to be herself.","cooked":"

此贴看下来十分感慨，现在很难在互联网上找到这样和谐、包容、严谨的讨论环境了，这也是交大門建立的初衷之一吧。

交大門对应xjtu.app，本身就有一层联想诱导，我起初也没想到 male 这层意思。不过，容我大胆地猜测，楼主想说的应该是，我们应该重新思考、解构那些理所应当的【男性主导现象】乃至【性别本质主义】？

作为女性，我非常理解你的困扰与愿望。很幸运地，我自己从小到大并没有受到什么父权逻辑的压迫，身边反倒有许多同学和朋友也是女性主义者，或许将这些观念内化成自身一部分的后果便是，我不再那么敏感不安。意识到女性正在从传统的他者变为主角，意识到当下社会更强调人人 GTOW（go their own way）的多元价值，意识到为保障“弱者”和少数群体权益，许多切实可靠的措施正在被实行，我对自己的信念更加安心了。

这是盲目的乐观吗？我不知道，毕竟透明的天花板如今依旧存在，而其他的不公现象也正猖狂。但是，楼主不用过度不安，因为有千千万万的人和你站在一起。

个人的质问和思考是第一步，即便这是微不足道的；发声并被听见是第二步；坚持实践，实现（女性的，不被定义的）自我价值是第三步。

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The greatest ambition of a woman is to be herself.
\n

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提出一个技术性解决方案（）
\n我是 xjtu.win ~~交又赢~~ 域名持有者，如果楼主实在在意，我可以在稍晚把 win 的域名重定向到主页，这样你在访问论坛时可以避免遇到对应的困扰

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-04 20:17:50.096751","updatedAt":"2023-06-04 20:17:50.096751","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":2,"likeCount":12,"wordCount":73,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"🤣️","count":1,"users":[{"id":30,"username":"一只玉米人","name":"玉米🌽"}],"hasReacted":false},{"reaction":"😆️","count":2,"users":[{"id":175,"username":"argmin","name":null},{"id":650,"username":"AdvisorUploadBot1","name":"AdvisorUploadBot1"}],"hasReacted":false},{"reaction":"❤️","count":12,"users":[{"id":30,"username":"一只玉米人","name":"玉米🌽"},{"id":80,"username":"Dytchem","name":null},{"id":87,"username":"abandon","name":null},{"id":103,"username":"MiaoHN","name":null},{"id":259,"username":"ReturnDream","name":"保密"},{"id":275,"username":"fifthseason","name":"第五个季节"},{"id":321,"username":"Tiger","name":null},{"id":341,"username":"kevin","name":"kevin"},{"id":672,"username":"Relue","name":null},{"id":771,"username":"IshMantissa","name":"IshMantissa"},{"id":790,"username":"UodiBiauhQainuj","name":"Uodi Biauh Qainuj"},{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":299,"username":"sola","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":2275,"postNumber":26,"raw":"哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈资瓷（","cooked":"

哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈资瓷（

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-11 07:08:51.546679","updatedAt":"2023-06-11 07:08:51.546679","replyToPostNumber":25,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":14,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":175,"username":"argmin","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":2280,"postNumber":27,"raw":"现在确实已经重定向了 xjtu.win $\\xrightarrow{\\text{301}}$ xjtu.app\n```\n$ curl https://xjtu.app -v\n* Connected to xjtu.win (2606:4700:3033::6815:2af1) port 443 (#0)\n< HTTP/2 301 \n< location: https://xjtu.app\n< cache-control: max-age=3600\n```\n不过 Discourse 不支持多域名","cooked":"

现在确实已经重定向了 xjtu.win $\\xrightarrow{\\text{301}}$ xjtu.app

$ curl https://xjtu.app -v\n* Connected to xjtu.win (2606:4700:3033::6815:2af1) port 443 (#0)\n< HTTP/2 301 \n< location: https://xjtu.app\n< cache-control: max-age=3600\n

不过 Discourse 不支持多域名

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-11 11:09:04.092687","updatedAt":"2024-03-17 03:58:21.484059","replyToPostNumber":25,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":2,"wordCount":45,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":2,"users":[{"id":87,"username":"abandon","name":null},{"id":477,"username":"wow","name":"wow"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":3,"publicVersion":3,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/43/32/4332638c11248b8ff07033c11de0759a55205facfbec85e14458245a91991faf.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":2282,"postNumber":28,"raw":"这下不得不 win:rofl:","cooked":"

这下不得不 win🤣

\n","createdAt":"2023-06-11 12:23:39.247203","updatedAt":"2023-06-11 12:23:39.247203","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":6,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":46,"username":"Alice","name":null,"avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/ed/c3/edc3d2058e8876c40c302fe4d2247ac2fb5f671c075a57c10d84b4b37fdf8f1b.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":2285,"postNumber":29,"raw":"勿以 win 小而不麻 :nerd:","cooked":"

勿以 win 小而不麻 🤓

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牛的，这也能想到性别

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不难想到，xjtu 的域名并不会非常丰富，所以多半是看购买时有什么域名。

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xjtu.win 确实挺不错的 😆

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win 确实不错。
\n我有女生朋友也觉得 men 不好，我倒是第一眼没想到，看来男生在这方面确实比女生迟钝

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xjtu.loser

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xjtu.fail

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xjtu.fyi

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倒也不必这样敏感，电子游戏确实基本围绕着暴力杀戮这些元素，玩法上更能吸引好战性强的男性，即便像美末这种有着深邃内核的游戏也离不开这种基本框架，被误解是很正常的，你是有着独特审美的人，没必要被性别束缚（不也有很多游戏区的女性播主嘛）
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你说的有道理，男玩家喜欢车枪球，女玩家钟爱经营养成，这可能和从小形成的性别认知有关。
\n我比较喜欢 RPG 类型，美末玩法上可能是打丧尸，但战斗玩法只是一方面，我想它成功的点还是剧情。一个有着深刻剧本的好游戏，应该会受到所有性别的玩家喜爱吧。
\n此外，关于男女玩家的区别也好取向也罢，我认为现在的讨论大多只停留在不同立场的争论和输出上。小黑盒用户认为我们要玩没有政治正确的游戏（大胸细腰肤白貌美），小红书用户认为媚男角色和黄梗恶心至极（耶路撒冷之类）。这种矛盾在我玩到剑星的时候异常突出——一方面不可否认 Eve 确实身材很辣、脸蛋漂亮，另一方面又觉得这简直是纯纯擦边游戏。漂亮的女性当主角，很赏心悦目👍女主角像个耻物手办一样，穿嗨皮或者肉色连体服做各种爬墙打架趴台球桌大尺度动作，那种纯然为了取悦男性的媚态真的很怪🙃这游戏因为“打破政治正确”而大卖，或许是借了那个 LGBTQ+ 审查公司新闻的东风，让广大男玩家狠狠爽了一把。本人一边爽一边恶，实在是纠结。
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其实我玩游戏不会太去关注主角的性取向，我们享受游戏的本质还是游戏好不好玩而不是人物性取向如何，文学电影音乐美术等等艺术形式已经有太多探讨取向的优秀作品，作为游戏玩家我只希望游戏公司能留给玩家一片净土，不要过多参与性别之争 🤔

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