{"topic":{"id":13599,"title":"最近在学进化生物学，有一些关于人类社会的感悟","slug":"topic","categoryId":4,"createdAt":"2024-09-29 15:35:40.797473","bumpedAt":"2025-02-17 18:18:55.851142","views":495,"postsCount":32,"highestPostNumber":32,"likeCount":37,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"我不知道我这样说会不会不合适，我觉得自然界的进化理论有些用在人类种群中也存在部分相似，我认为人的本质和其他动物都一样，也就是所谓“兽性” 下面我举出几个例子，请各位原谅我意识形态的理解对“最适者”的理解问题进化生物学中：那些能留下最多后代的类型才是“最适者” 在斗争中取胜者不一定是最适者，只有遗传下去才有意义，把“适者生存”理解为“优胜劣汰”是不全面的那么在人类社会能不能理解为在古代娶“三妻四妾”，在近代出去“外遇”、“出轨”，…","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"category":{"id":4,"name":"谈笑风生","slug":"general","color":"25AAE2"},"author":{"id":5151,"username":"Soyo34325","name":"Soyo34325","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/9d/e5/9de500d3afb55c0fe71e319832f2af75532222efe94bd3de9aea21f0f5c55707.avif"},"tags":[]},"posts":[{"id":40918,"postNumber":1,"raw":"我不知道我这样说会不会不合适，我觉得自然界的进化理论有些用在人类种群中也存在部分相似，我认为人的本质和其他动物都一样，也就是所谓“兽性”\n下面我举出几个例子，请各位原谅我意识形态的理解\n\n## 对“最适者”的理解问题\n进化生物学中：\n> 那些能留下最多后代的类型才是“最适者”\n在斗争中取胜者不一定是最适者，只有遗传下去才有意义，把“适者生存”理解为“优胜劣汰”是不全面的\n\n那么在人类社会能不能理解为在古代娶“三妻四妾”，在近代出去“外遇”、“出轨”，这些都是写在基因里面人类对于扩大生殖的具体写照\n\n## 选择的模式问题（选择只选择性状）\n进化生物学中：\n> 自然界中还存在着多种其他的选择模式或机制\n对于“自然选择起着筛子作用”这样的理解，就有加以说明的必要\n\n在人类社会中有些人的生存力很低（指的是生理上的），但是他特别有钱，能给他治好或者缓解其症状，能和异性进行交配繁殖产生其后代。那么在这其中“钱”是不是也能作为其被选择性状，而“钱”是不是和其基因内部存在着某种关系，比如说特别会经商？\n\n## 间断选择\n进化生物学中：\n> 自然选择同时“选留”两个极端类型的特征，会增加基因的遗传多样性\n\n这个其实很好理解，处于两个“阶层”的人互相结婚生子，在这样的过程中保留了两个比较极端的”阶层“，极穷或者极富有，在学这个的过程中我始终没有理解”增加基因的遗传多样性“这个问题\n\n## 先锋者效应\n进化生物学中：\n> 由少数几个携带有亲本种群中部分遗传变异的种群建立起新的种群，新种群中的基因频率偏离流原来的亲本种群\n新群体中的基因更多的偏向于**先锋者**的基因\n\n这个我理解为在某些行业中的**Leader**更多地决定了某些东西的走向，比如说 Openai 作为生成式大模型的“领头人”，在一定程度上也决定了未来大模型的发展方向\n\n## 不均等交配\n进化生物学上：\n> 交配方式：随机交配、选择交配\n\n对配偶的选择，我们爱上对方可能是因为对方的某些特质，有物质上的，也有精神上的。从分子基因学的角度就是馋他/她的基因\n\n## 利他主义\n进化生物学上：\n> 为了种群或物种的利益而降低个体适应度的一种特性\n在自然选择的角度上来说，利他主义很难存在\n共享遗传物质，从基因的亲缘系数中进行定性考虑\n\n为什么说在“自然选择”上认为“利他主义很难存在”，因为在自然界中这种“利他行为”，经常伴随着个体的死亡，死了之后所谓“利他主义”的“基因”失去了载体，因此生存力很低\n\n我常常将“利他”和人类社会中那些具有所谓“奉献精神”的人挂钩，虽然我们在道德上总是歌颂的，比如说教师、医生等等\n\n不知道我这些想法对不对，欢迎门友一起讨论","cooked":"

我不知道我这样说会不会不合适，我觉得自然界的进化理论有些用在人类种群中也存在部分相似，我认为人的本质和其他动物都一样，也就是所谓“兽性”
\n下面我举出几个例子，请各位原谅我意识形态的理解

对“最适者”的理解问题

进化生物学中：

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那些能留下最多后代的类型才是“最适者”
\n在斗争中取胜者不一定是最适者，只有遗传下去才有意义，把“适者生存”理解为“优胜劣汰”是不全面的
\n

那么在人类社会能不能理解为在古代娶“三妻四妾”，在近代出去“外遇”、“出轨”，这些都是写在基因里面人类对于扩大生殖的具体写照

选择的模式问题（选择只选择性状）

进化生物学中：

\n
自然界中还存在着多种其他的选择模式或机制
\n对于“自然选择起着筛子作用”这样的理解，就有加以说明的必要
\n

在人类社会中有些人的生存力很低（指的是生理上的），但是他特别有钱，能给他治好或者缓解其症状，能和异性进行交配繁殖产生其后代。那么在这其中“钱”是不是也能作为其被选择性状，而“钱”是不是和其基因内部存在着某种关系，比如说特别会经商？

间断选择

进化生物学中：

\n
自然选择同时“选留”两个极端类型的特征，会增加基因的遗传多样性
\n

这个其实很好理解，处于两个“阶层”的人互相结婚生子，在这样的过程中保留了两个比较极端的”阶层“，极穷或者极富有，在学这个的过程中我始终没有理解”增加基因的遗传多样性“这个问题

先锋者效应

进化生物学中：

\n
由少数几个携带有亲本种群中部分遗传变异的种群建立起新的种群，新种群中的基因频率偏离流原来的亲本种群
\n新群体中的基因更多的偏向于先锋者的基因
\n

这个我理解为在某些行业中的Leader更多地决定了某些东西的走向，比如说 Openai 作为生成式大模型的“领头人”，在一定程度上也决定了未来大模型的发展方向

不均等交配

进化生物学上：

\n
交配方式：随机交配、选择交配
\n

对配偶的选择，我们爱上对方可能是因为对方的某些特质，有物质上的，也有精神上的。从分子基因学的角度就是馋他/她的基因

利他主义

进化生物学上：

\n
为了种群或物种的利益而降低个体适应度的一种特性
\n在自然选择的角度上来说，利他主义很难存在
\n共享遗传物质，从基因的亲缘系数中进行定性考虑
\n

为什么说在“自然选择”上认为“利他主义很难存在”，因为在自然界中这种“利他行为”，经常伴随着个体的死亡，死了之后所谓“利他主义”的“基因”失去了载体，因此生存力很低

我常常将“利他”和人类社会中那些具有所谓“奉献精神”的人挂钩，虽然我们在道德上总是歌颂的，比如说教师、医生等等

不知道我这些想法对不对，欢迎门友一起讨论

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我以前也这么想，这种思维方式像是 bio 人的共性？
\n但是现在逐渐觉得，在考虑问题时忽略人的社会性是一种严重的偏颇。人是基因的奴隶，但远远不止于此。

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这个问题其实上课的时候我一直在想
\n但是我们老师一直强调“不要考虑其他的意识形态”
\n搞得我心态麻麻的

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在斗争中取胜者不一定是最适者
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说明“他参与的斗争”和“延续其基因模式存在的斗争”不是同一件事情。
\n优胜劣汰是个先验成立的语言问题，重要的是认识到什么是优什么是劣。
\n对社会达尔文主义的批判不在于否认优胜劣汰，而在于要意识到自然环境和社会环境下个体的存在价值是不一样的，纳粹的错误是将人类的存在价值与种族血统等自然环境的物种优势高度绑定。智人的历史表明这是一个靠合作和技术力战胜其他物种的存在，因此智人社会的战斗更为复杂，也在于如何抵抗虚假和

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在考虑问题时忽略人的社会性是一种严重的偏颇。人是基因的奴隶，但远远不止于此。
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我开始觉得人是一个社会制度，社会中的伦理道德在一定程度上维护了人类的社会秩序，不至于让人完全称为所谓的“兽”
\n但人始终是基因的奴隶，因为毕竟基因决定性状，我们选择性状的同时也就选择了基因

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社交能力，即发觉他人的优势和需求，从而达成更为持久的协作。

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最高的存在是信息，基因只是信息比较稳定的一种表征，性状是进一步的表征。自从智人有了语言能力之后，信息有了新的表征路径，即语言文字造就的认识和个体行为。大脑突触结构的变化比基因结构的变化速度快 1-2 个数量级，因此人类远远甩开了其他物种。

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等强人工智能产生了，就要像人甩开猴子一样甩开人

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\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tEcho est ubi sum:\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t

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最高的存在是信息，基因只是信息比较稳定的一种表征，性状是进一步的表征。
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我去，这个观点和生信的思想有点类似的，实际上最关键的是存在 A,T,C,G 的遗传信息，基因只是遗传信息的一种载体！ 😃

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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说明文艺复兴的人文主义是假的，唯一的上帝是热力学神。

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可以看一下薛定谔写的书生命是什么

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人类肯定见不到外星人了，因为如果有外星人，按照 ai 发展的速度肯定有强外星 ai 按照光速传播。所以以地球为中心很多光年内肯定没有外星 ai，活着的人就看不见了

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想到银河系漫游指南里的一个笑话，说不定人类就是某一阶段的外星 ai

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基因强大

基因很强大，能通过潜意识发挥它的作用。比如为了戒色我花了几年的时间，先前在看到色色内容有种不可明说的力量把我推过去。这个机制我感知不到，但就是觉得冥冥中发挥着作用，诱导我行为。虽然我全程都是“自由”的，可以拒绝潜在力量的吸引，但是很多时候都像“它”（某种潜意识）的方向滑坡了。这可以作为基因力量的证据。

社会控制

上面提到了“人远远不止基因”，我也是同意的。引用《与社会学同游》4-7 章的观点，社会形成对人的控制、人顺应甚至追求社会的控制、人的自由，三种情形是相互作用的。我举个粗俗例子：应前往厕所排泄。显然没有任何基因决定了这种行为，但在社会的规训下，我自动地且自愿地前往厕所。但是如果我停下来反思，我们能发现，没有清晰的阻碍我拒绝的力量，人拥有惊人的自由。事实上巴黎街头的一黑哥抽张纸巾能很自然的在大街上解决。

这一点和动物绝对的不同，但是和人类基因的作用方式似乎有类似的地方，如果像上面笼统概括为信息，我无法接受，但也有一定道理。

多种范式的分析方式难以调和

楼主说用一种范式来思考。《与社会学同游》也是这么处理的，前面在社会学框架下探讨了人的自由选择，但是笔锋一转，作者同意康德在科学框架下不可定义自由，于是用哲学的视角重新阐释。我想不同范式的方法存在调和的困难，没有办法同时从两个角度思考问题。

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上厕所这个不一定猫和猪基因本能也会自己划分厕所区域

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在人类的 DNA 中只有一小部分有意义的序列，大部分还是以 junk 的形式存在。基因决定性状，但同样有表观遗传的存在。对 DNA 的化学修饰，对染色体的修饰，等等。生物体内同一段的 DNA 信息，在不同的转录剪切机制下也会表达出不同的蛋白质/RNA。从 DNA 到蛋白质，沿着中心法则的遗传信息传递存在一些变数。虽然每个细胞都有全套基因，但由于分化导致细胞对基因选择性表达。为什么某种细胞会分化成特定类型？细胞的命运决定也存在某种机制，好吧这块我真没学会

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先把增肥基因敲了

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脂肪对于动物/植物的生存是至关重要的，作为重要的储能物质，在人体身上还充当器官缓冲等作用

正好老师说到这里

现代的肥胖症或者其他“现代病”，很多其实是人类进化的速度跟不上社会变化的速度，也许在很久很久之后，以后的人类也能适应高热度、高糖高油脂的摄入

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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上课的时候老师一直说，这个可以直接用计算机算，具体的算法不用我们掌握

~~怎么总感觉自己得转码~~

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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