{"topic":{"id":11067,"title":"发现自己的 paper 被牛组/公司撞车是什么感觉","slug":"topic","categoryId":4,"createdAt":"2024-03-27 05:07:46.95558","bumpedAt":"2024-03-28 06:02:51.529476","views":390,"postsCount":10,"highestPostNumber":10,"likeCount":17,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"rt，楼主很好奇大家的心理怎么变化的 😭 😭 😭","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"category":{"id":4,"name":"谈笑风生","slug":"general","color":"25AAE2"},"author":{"id":178,"username":"Hypocrisy","name":"rotartsinimdA","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/ce/f3/cef3773e378e161524cc7523c8a63dff0698d22802b0c1ab669894d395ee36a3.avif"},"tags":[]},"posts":[{"id":27895,"postNumber":1,"raw":"rt，楼主很好奇大家的心理怎么变化的 :loudly_crying_face: :loudly_crying_face: :loudly_crying_face:","cooked":"

rt，楼主很好奇大家的心理怎么变化的 😭 😭 😭

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人太菜了，暂时还没有相关经历，不过听过这样一个很让我悲伤的故事：
\n有一个学姐想冲顶刊，在一个课题上精耕细作了四年还是五年。文章马上要发出来的时候，另一个组抢先发出来了差不多的 paper。
\n虽然导师最后还是给学姐毕业了（好像是个比较牛的导师），但学姐非常难过。毕业以后退出科研界，以后再没碰过科研。

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一些可能有些纸上谈兵的建议：

认清科研也很卷，不要长时间死磕一个课题
被撞车了别急着破防，找点自己 unique 的点努力搓一篇。完全撞车感觉概率不大，能搓一篇小的发出来对自己未来总有帮助，也算没辜负自己的努力。

\n","createdAt":"2024-03-27 05:44:48.548378","updatedAt":"2024-03-27 05:44:48.548378","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":3,"wordCount":99,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":3,"users":[{"id":151,"username":"Rin","name":"Tomotake Rin"},{"id":1815,"username":"hog_mailliw","name":"OM"},{"id":1835,"username":"Dusk","name":"夕大画家"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":3273,"username":"anon18815924","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":27900,"postNumber":4,"raw":"唉，我自己搓的课题被 IBM 狠狠撞飞了。。\n很多点都一致，我现在在细看他的论文，看看有没有我还能改的地方。","cooked":"

唉，我自己搓的课题被 IBM 狠狠撞飞了。。
\n很多点都一致，我现在在细看他的论文，看看有没有我还能改的地方。

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这个确实更难受。。。。

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现在我手搓搞个小竞赛项目都很害怕撞车，难以想象精耕细作四五年最后一场空的打击有多大……

\n","createdAt":"2024-03-27 10:30:39.48248","updatedAt":"2024-03-27 10:30:39.48248","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":42,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":3273,"username":"anon18815924","name":null}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":151,"username":"Rin","name":"Tomotake Rin","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/dd/40/dd40df04070180d25dc835b8f1ad472ded596141699d602ec04ff13e27375bd9.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"无所谓，热带风味 :woman_gesturing_no:","signatureCooked":"

无所谓，热带风味 🙅‍♀️

\n"}},{"id":27966,"postNumber":7,"raw":"当时刚入门语音，花了三个月读了一堆 paper 之后，顺着发展思路慢慢想了一个 idea 的雏形，然后和 mentor 商量怎么优雅地实现。又过了俩月，发现这个 idea 已经被某大神发了 cvpr，但是我又不想放弃，就把他的代码拿来补充了一些小 contributions 写了一篇，被拒了一次后中了。\n\n再然后又读了半年 paper，突然发现有个很牛逼能搞很多引用的坑没人挖，主要是数据得自己采集，但是采集并不太困难，不需要人工标注，基本自动搞搞就行。但是组里没空搞 or 没钱搞，我也忘了为啥没说服 mentor 搞这个，反正最后也没搞。后来发现 msr 和腾讯都自己搞了一个私有的数据集，一直没有公开，偷偷发 paper。于是只能用模拟算法生成了一堆破烂数据，写了篇 paper，但是数据太破烂导致发不出去，只能投了个期刊。\n\n现在又琢磨了一下，感觉 ai 领域 paper 太多导致 idea 太密集，基本上一个小领域顺着年份看个几十篇就能脑补出一大堆 idea，但是其实不怎么值钱","cooked":"

当时刚入门语音，花了三个月读了一堆 paper 之后，顺着发展思路慢慢想了一个 idea 的雏形，然后和 mentor 商量怎么优雅地实现。又过了俩月，发现这个 idea 已经被某大神发了 cvpr，但是我又不想放弃，就把他的代码拿来补充了一些小 contributions 写了一篇，被拒了一次后中了。

再然后又读了半年 paper，突然发现有个很牛逼能搞很多引用的坑没人挖，主要是数据得自己采集，但是采集并不太困难，不需要人工标注，基本自动搞搞就行。但是组里没空搞 or 没钱搞，我也忘了为啥没说服 mentor 搞这个，反正最后也没搞。后来发现 msr 和腾讯都自己搞了一个私有的数据集，一直没有公开，偷偷发 paper。于是只能用模拟算法生成了一堆破烂数据，写了篇 paper，但是数据太破烂导致发不出去，只能投了个期刊。

现在又琢磨了一下，感觉 ai 领域 paper 太多导致 idea 太密集，基本上一个小领域顺着年份看个几十篇就能脑补出一大堆 idea，但是其实不怎么值钱

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There will come a time when you work on a problem long and hard and SUCCESSFULLY :)
\nAnd then you learn that someone else already published. :(
\nHard as that may be for you to take, you must view this too as a great opportunity.
\nDon't turn off. Read what got published.

You will be surprised how often the published paper turns out to be different in some significant way. Roughly
\n50% of the time, it is NOT at all the same as what you did.
\n25% of the time, it is the same but not as good.
\n25% of the time it is better.

This means that 50% of the time or more, you can still publish.

And what about the 25% time that what got published is better than your own?
\nIn that case, you have a great opportunity to learn.
\nAsk yourself: \"How SHOULD I have been thinking to solve the problem in this fine way?\"

This is how I discovered, as a young engineer, that I should learn something enormously powerful called \"Modern Algebra.\"
\nIt's one reason I switched from Electrical Engineering as an undergraduate major to Mathematics as a Graduate major.
\nOf course, this was before there existed anything called Computer Science.

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只要不是故意抄袭，撞车文章一两个月之内撞都是可以一起发表的，例子多了去了

\n","createdAt":"2024-03-28 04:52:11.852248","updatedAt":"2024-03-28 04:52:11.852248","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":36,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":3273,"username":"anon18815924","name":null}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":426,"username":"Komeiji_Koishi","name":"Komeiji_Koishi","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/5c/54/5c54227268cd2f275501ca5efdf88f7b1083908db846496c2c46eeb38cf65caa.avif","admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":28003,"postNumber":10,"raw":"原来如此，学到了。。。","cooked":"

原来如此，学到了。。。

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